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My eyes have been recently opened to the world of "sarging"
A highly structured form of cruising game play designed to get a woman attracted in any male by use of backhanded compliments or "negs"
check out the Wingers Website or Fast Seduction 101 site
I have mixed feeling about this.
I dislike anything that is designed to make a person feel bad about themselves which is the basis for the attraction stage of sarging but then again I know many a guy who has no success in finding a partner because they are simply too nice or are unaware of the messages sent by their own body language.
Obviously some real dickheads are involved in this particular past time but cutting through the crap, the bravado and terminology used and the bits that make me want to scream "the reasons you cannot pull is because nature never wants you to reproduce, you slimy jerk"... it's very "interesting".
It may not be a new thing, I may be very naive and maybe it would be nice to think that every guy who insulted or ignored me in my life time did so because he was attracted to me and trying to make an impression, but sadly I doubt it. However I now recognise times when this has happened and life makes a little more sense, so it it's "enlightening" to see what's out there.
So go on give it all a read and tell me what you think, I'd really like to know. I have my own theories why it works but I'll leave them for another time.
In the meanwhile send the links to your mates the more folks aware of this formula the fewer will fall for it.
May 23 2006, 11:14:40 UTC 6 years ago
Though some of the ideas for stuff to do is fun, the whole structured side of it makes me vomit.
May 23 2006, 11:37:36 UTC 6 years ago
The full implications of guys working through a heavily calculated and structured routine in order to get a girl in to bed distrurbs me, but then sometimes I find myself wondering why. This is simply a person structuring techniques that come naturally to the majority of others.
However the terminoligy leaves a lot to be desired.
May 23 2006, 13:37:12 UTC 6 years ago
Ugh and double ugh. I suppose the kind of person who wouldn't understand why it's repellant would need a formula. Or y'know, a slap.
May 23 2006, 14:34:26 UTC 6 years ago
Statistically, if you say "Hello" to more girls, then you are more likely to have sex. If you say "Hello, would you like to have sex" it's a little blunt, but is that less dishonest? What about reading about how to give your girlfriend good oral sex in a magazine?
*shrug* going out 'on the pull' isn't exactly a new phenomenon. The only real difference here is that some people have written down things that they find works. NLP isn't exactly a new science either, just again, someone's documented it for those who don't instinctively understand.
May 23 2006, 16:15:24 UTC 6 years ago
Consider her to be a worthless bitch and make her jump through hoops, kind of mind set.
Make her feel awful about herself and break down her self esteme and have your way with her. Ensure she never feels safe whilst telling her she is.
It's all so very damaging.
Anonymous
May 24 2006, 08:03:32 UTC 6 years ago
Then again, if someone is a boorish lout, then what of the people who _do_ go for that?
May 24 2006, 08:09:30 UTC 6 years ago
http://www.mysterymethod.com/forum/
Is quite a good read.
Now I do agree with some bits, but I have to say others have been really quite upsetting though I suspect the terminology makes it far worse.
Attract a woman to you by making her believe she is not worth anything...
May 24 2006, 08:31:12 UTC 6 years ago
I still find it hard to 'track' - why would 'being odious' actually be a worthwhile pick up technique. I mean, I am assuming that the reason someone posts such things is because it works, rather than just being made up tosh.
At the end of the day, going out to treat women as 'worthless bitches' well, is pretty contemptible. I can well believe it happens, especially in situations where trolling for one night stands.
Then again, so is actually shagging someone who treats you that way.
May 24 2006, 14:03:48 UTC 6 years ago
May 24 2006, 15:21:01 UTC 6 years ago
I'll admit to not being fully informed about the 'scene' but on the face of it it would appear there's certain similarities.
I'm not entirely sure the definition of 'healthy relationship' is quite so clear cut.
Now, the bit in the second link about 'negative hits' ... I don't know, I don't see that as being _insults_ exactly, more being cheeky, and 'standing out'. After all, if you _are_ actually being 'hurtful' then ... well it's not really going to work is it?
I think that's also related to 'domination' games - asserting a superiority, in a situation where it might be less common.
May 24 2006, 18:29:43 UTC 6 years ago
Take some time and erad all of the sites.
on the surface it all seems fair enough but after a while, you will find your self pulling at your collar in an uncomfortable manner.
but then I'm a woman so may read it diffrently.
May 23 2006, 15:58:57 UTC 6 years ago
and hands up anyone who likes to be manipulated and is happy when they've discovered this has happened.
(and I don't mean manipulated in a fun way)
May 23 2006, 16:12:13 UTC 6 years ago
May 24 2006, 08:42:40 UTC 6 years ago
What about if I know I'm 'nicer company' if I'm being entertaining and amusing, and so try to do so?
Starting a relationship based on deceit is pretty much always doomed to failure. That's not to say it's not a common thing to happen though.
May 24 2006, 14:06:26 UTC 6 years ago
It intersts me that i cannot finda single reference on any of the site about what to do if your cover is blown.
May 24 2006, 15:01:51 UTC 6 years ago
Yes, you're right, you can't start a serious relationship based on fiction. Can you start an 'unserious' one though? If you're fairly 'obvious' that you're looking for a one night stand, how much does starting from fiction matter?
I know several people who 'mislead' about their age. I know a few who 'reuse' other people's anecdotes. I know many people who 'exaggerate' on their CVs.
Outright lies are a bad idea, for so many reasons (moral, or just because sooner or later they fall apart) but that's not quite the same as saying 'you work in banking' when what you actually mean is you clean the floors of the local natwest.
May 24 2006, 15:18:47 UTC 6 years ago
May 23 2006, 14:16:15 UTC 6 years ago
Now that doesn't seem overly unreasonable. There's tonnes of books on NLP out there, and quite a few people that would benefit from understanding things like body language.
Then there's the bit that seems to turn the whole thing into a game (sarging in particular, I take it is the process of going 'out on the pull'?), with a high score chart, and a very mechanical approach. Make passes at everyone in the room, and see if one takes the bait sort of thing. I'm not quite sure what my opinion is there. On one hand it strikes me as somewhat amoral. On the other hand, well, both parties are 'rational adults' (assuming they _are_ of course) and capable of making their own decisions.
There's a few bits of psychology there that seem a little odd, such as the 'alpha' the 'negative hits' and not 'being a supplicant'. I suppose those are kind of aimed at standing out from the 'competition', or otherwise being out of the ordinary.
May 23 2006, 16:07:40 UTC 6 years ago
helping people become more confident about themselves, improve their personal appearance and hygience and be come more aware of their body language is excellent.
I think the "negs" are the big issues.
Attracting a future mate on the bases of being abusive, doesn't seem ike a good way to start a healthy relationship
Now there is the gentle teasing, joking around and banter, which is fun and fair enough, but when it steps over into this new relam it takes on a new meaning.
Actually this came about after I got played. Not very well as the guy was a compelte jerk. I knew he was up to as almost on introduction he was offensive and I ended up confused and hurt, thinking "what did I do to deserve this, i only just got here) sadly he could not see that his behaviour was just upsetting and was convinced that i was really attracted to him rather than being constantly irriated by his actions. However the situation meant I had to remain polite to him and I decided to amke the ebst of a abd situation and enjoy my weekend whilst ignore this carry on. Unfortunatly my mate was less on the ball and slept with the married with three kids twonk. Even more annoyingly the guy then went on to try and give people the impression he had spent the night with me, an insult to both me and my friend, despite my statements of "in your dreams" and "Please fuck of." He was still convinced my irriatation was that he slept with my mate and not me....shudders.
May 23 2006, 14:26:24 UTC 6 years ago
"Here are the rules, he's how to power game them, your dps will go through the roof dude!"
Like blokes didn't go out in groups all on the pull at the same time before this set of crappy acronyms was though of.
If you need this stuff there isn't any hope for you anyway, evolution has made it's choices for you.
May 23 2006, 16:18:09 UTC 6 years ago
how ever I know a few folks who could probbaly do with guidance from the more......er less revolting aspects of this.
May 24 2006, 07:25:34 UTC 6 years ago
After all if you are not 'trying' you can't be rejected can you?
May 24 2006, 08:11:15 UTC 6 years ago